Meditation – group conversation from 3.08.2019
Małgorzata Krata: Recently I have been exploring the topic of yoga (it somehow came to me a few days ago). It would be good to pray through this Hindu enlightenment current. In the book Indian Philosophy there is a lot of knowledge about India and I jump around between chapters. I also noticed that most Hindu deities are shown in yoga positions. I also read the first translation of the Yoga Sutras and the system refers somewhat to Buddhism, but not entirely, because in Hinduism one strives for liberation, but also for union with the supreme god—probably with Brahma, but with whom exactly? Unless it is with some other one. Because there are more Supreme gods there than with us. Shiva is the perfect yogi, but I read that the god of yogis is Ishvara or Yogeshvara, the Lord of Yogis.
Sławomir Majda, 16:32 For many years I stretched doing yoga exercises, but I had no strength for anything else. Now I rollerblade, play tennis, go to the pool and sauna.
Małgorzata Krata, 16:35 The problem is that when yoga reached Europe, it turned into acrobatics and hardly anyone here cares that it is a philosophy and a path to liberation. It is wrongly perceived only as exercises, which are just one element. Certainly, when Souls incarnate there in Indian culture, yoga means more than exercises. Sławek, maybe you were also a perfect yogi in India? I was never drawn to it. In the Bhagavad Gita there is also a section on yoga and I found such quotations (translation):
“He who desires neither pleasure nor work for gain
And has entirely freed himself from his own impulses,
He may be considered skilled in yoga.”
“Let the yogi constantly concentrate, living alone in seclusion,
Controlling mind and body, poor, free from desires.”
“The yogi surpasses ascetics, surpasses even scholars,
The yogi surpasses priests—so be a yogi, Arjuna!”
These are just examples, because there is much more. But these are also pro-isolation ideas based on negating matter in order to stop wanting anything. I think maybe the point is that Souls should lose the desire to incarnate in matter—because if one stops wanting anything material, then why remain in matter. And then someone becomes liberated. One sets oneself on higher goals, opens to union with God—only that it turned into union with a deity.
Sławomir Majda, 16:55 I remember stretching and then taking a small puppy onto my lap and praying, and his Soul also prayed. In a way some enlightenment aspect occurred. Maybe not canonical according to Hindus.
Małgorzata Krata, 16:57 “The word yoga comes from the Sanskrit root yuj and means: to bind, to join, to attach, to yoke, to direct and focus attention on something, to use and apply. It also means union and unification. Yoga is the complete union of a person’s will with the will of God. Mahadev Desai in the introduction to Gita according to Gandhi writes: ‘Yoga is binding all the powers of body, mind and soul to God; it requires disciplining intellect, emotions and will and signifies spiritual balance enabling one to relate to all aspects with equal calm.’”
Sławomir Majda, 17:00 Only the word “God” there is ambiguous.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:00 Of course, it is a quotation. Yoga is also mind training and meditation, not just contortions on a mat.
Sławomir Majda, 17:03 What reaches me is something that is with God. Recently on YouTube we had a topic similar to regressing, but without God.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:04 I am not praising yoga, just so it’s clear—I actually want to free myself from it. The very word “meditation” fills me with anxiety and negative associations.
Sławomir Majda, 17:05 Cayce said it is listening to the divine answer. However, one must ask a reasonable question reasonably.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:08 So how to meditate? No one outside Eastern schools teaches it. By definition: “Meditation (Latin meditatio—immersion in thought, reflection) – practices consisting of training the mind or entering an altered state of consciousness to obtain some beneficial effect, or for the mind to recognize the content of the altered state without identifying with it, or as a goal in itself.” The very phrase “altered state” sounds wrong. Some people sit with a drink and reminisce. Maybe when they drink, a philosopher awakens in them and maybe they are meditating. Sometimes they drink alone and reflect.
Sławomir Majda, 17:22 And then drunken chatter comes out.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:22 If they drink alone, not necessarily—unless they conduct dialogues with themselves.
So how to meditate while listening to divine answers? How did you define it? Does anyone have any idea?
Sławomir Majda, 17:30 The first time—after Cayce, around 1995—I affirmed that I am safe and suddenly after five minutes I hear: “After all, I work in the municipal guard—what kind of safety is that??” It was the Soul speaking, not God, but an answer came.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:32 But that type of answer does not require meditation procedures. So how to meditate not in a Buddhist way, not in a Hindu way, but properly without confusion? I have listened to the prayer The Art of Prayer and I know how to pray, but I still do not know how to meditate.
Ewa, 17:38 I heard that according to Buddhist school one meditates in the lotus position, meaning the feet do not touch the ground. But supposedly it is important to ground oneself and not drift away—the feet should touch the earth.
Małgorzata Krata: I think meditation (in the Eastern sense) in itself means nothing. That would mean that in order to listen to divine hints, one must sit motionless in some position, quiet the mind and thoughts (and if someone hears clearly anyway, it cannot be stopped). And then listen, listen, or feel… It may only be a waste of time, because divine hints or other answers may come continuously or at unexpected moments. If hearing God required sitting silently doing nothing, one would have to isolate oneself from others or even flee. It seems to me that divine hints/answers as such do not require meditation in the Eastern sense (that is only Eastern enlightenment ideology). One could say that the state of meditation intertwines spontaneously during the day or during prayers and it happens naturally and continuously.
It seems strange to say: “God, I am now sitting down to meditate and I give You the floor.” When one asks, God may give information however He wishes.
Sławomir Majda, 17:52 Say exactly what you wrote. Maybe someone was drowning out divine answers for you and later it will turn out you were not speaking about that God.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:53 Say: “God, I give You the floor”?
Sławomir Majda, 17:53 Yes.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:54 That sounds strange, as if it meant that only in that state do I allow God to let me know something?
Ewa, 17:55 You are right, Gosia, one cannot demand an answer at a given moment, but when one is calm and not thinking, for example, about work, it is easier to tune into divine answers.
Małgorzata Krata, 17:56 Once I tried to immerse myself in meditation and asked God for information (considering that maybe the first thought or feeling might be it) and I sat like that for 15–20 minutes and NOTHING. Not a single thought appeared in my head, complete silence and emptiness. Usually my head is full of thoughts on all possible topics, associations, feelings, so maybe I ONLY achieved a state of mental yoga. Later I thought maybe God was offended that I set a time when I wanted Him to give me information…
Ewa, 18:02 Once I did a meditation where I wanted to see (without God), then I was not aware I should ask God about programs encoded in the subconscious (not in the soul—I did not know either) and I was shocked—I had visions: I pulled a nail out of my bladder, I had chicken claws tied with string around my wrists, a grenade under my ribs, metal shackles on my ankles, a green helmet on my head, a coffin on my back and snakes and snake eggs in my stomach, and on the third eye a golden coin. I was so frightened that I never did such meditations again.
Sławomir Majda, 18:05 That is a pity. You received a gift and did not accept it.
Małgorzata Krata, 18:12 Ewa, you had a clairvoyant experience.
Ewa, 18:20 Maybe, but you yourself do not try meditation because you have greater knowledge, and I tried various ones from internet videos, and now in retrospect I know many of them were promoting the violet flame and more.
Konrad, 18:48 People misunderstand the state of meditation.
Małgorzata Krata, 18:48 Then explain what is correct in your opinion, Konrad?
Konrad, 18:48 The meditative state can be achieved, for example, in trance. There is a good term in English: FLOW. You do what you love, focus on it so much that you forget about the whole world. For one it may be cycling, writing, reading, playing an instrument, savoring music—in this state answers come.
Małgorzata, 18:56 So actions that one likes, that bring joy and relaxation. Meditation somehow connects with relaxation anyway.
Konrad, 19:03 Flow (psychology).
Małgorzata Krata, 19:13 I often have such FLOW states.
Karolina, 19:26 One meditates when the mind is in a meditative state, meaning it produces proper quieting. It enters a state conducive to obtaining information and inspiration, in which the mind is most creative. Meditation is connected with contemplation. One thinks about something, focuses on it, notices all subsequent thoughts (without judging them) that appear, lets them flow, considers something internally (one can also invite God into this. Then it would probably look like asking, waiting and projecting what God would say). It does not have to be connected with any position as in many yoga schools, since position does not determine whether someone enters a meditative state. Relaxation helps. For some it is even harder to relax in the lotus position. For me certainly. One can easily enter a meditative state even in the shower, hence people often get random good ideas there. Relaxation makes it easier to enter that state. So everyone can have their own ritual. And it will be good as long as it brings results.
Małgorzata Krata, 19:31 Exactly—so it is time to decode Buddhist and Hindu meditation and related ones. Today I read about meditation in the Eastern sense and concluded that it may be a waste of time to sit in lotus and drift away. Maybe sometimes it is good, because one cannot reject everything at once. However, I thought that meditation may occur at various moments during the day, normally and naturally. The very name is soaked with ideology and associated with the East, unlike contemplation, which I associate with Christianity. Once I read negative opinions on a Catholic forum about meditation, as if saying: “That one is not ours, ours is contemplation,” although in Christianity one may contemplate images or attributes of saints.
Konrad, 19:49 Generally understood meditation often contradicts the values it is supposed to bring, because not everyone likes it, so how is such a person supposed to achieve, for example, inner peace.
Małgorzata Krata, 20:09 Probably during such Eastern meditations one can attract burdens, if someone invokes a destructive guru, deity or priest. It is like opening the mind to them. I also think that part of these mystical practices was based on knowledge that was not available then. There was no psychology, no knowledge about brain functions, about other waves and frequencies the brain can safely enter naturally as a tool for Souls to manifest in matter. There was no knowledge about working with energies, etc. Many mystical currents arose, often based on drugs and, of course, idolatry. It was promoted that the mind and ego are obstacles and must be fought and eliminated. It was a kind of psychological work, but on a small scale. A training and suppressing of one’s patterns. Quieting and repressing them.
Konrad, 20:55 Now we are wiser, because is there such pseudo-enlightenment without understanding what it is?
Małgorzata Krata, 20:56 Exactly, they did not have that knowledge. It was based on someone’s method, but without the foundation we have today.
Konrad, 20:58 And manipulations and frauds also are meant to teach something—someone promised someone enlightenment or salvation, and now we know what the consequences are.
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Autor: Sławomir Majda
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